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That’s basically how to make a tulpa

7:23 PM

Honestly if you make a lot of characters you probably already have a character that can easily be made into a tulpa

7:24 PM

Most avid writers experience things that are extremely similar to tulpamancy or is straight up just tulpamancy but they don’t know the word

Rusty

That’s basically how to make a tulpa

Well that's makes my work much easier.

I am a writer and accidentally made basically fully developed tulpas twice

7:27 PM

Without even knowing what tulpas are

Rusty

I am a writer and accidentally made basically fully developed tulpas twice

Admittedly I'm not on that level yet but I do enjoy writing for my characters so sometimes they just pop up in my head. It's like after a while they acquire some kinda momentum and start walking in your head.

That’s what happened to my friend who has one. She wrote stories and the tulpa developed naturally

Making a tulpa whose whole life is within a fictional world can cause issues when you try to take them out of it

7:34 PM

I wouldn’t recommend making a tulpa from one of your characters unless you start off immediately taking away the attachment to the fictional backstory

7:34 PM

It’s been years and we still have issues with that

7:36 PM

Even though everyone in my system is very aware of being a person and that story events are not real there are still many things that if brought up can bring genuine distress

It’s not how I ended up with tulpas, but fair enough.

Rusty

That’s basically how to make a tulpa

Tewi: Having conversations with them while intending for them to be a separate person who wants to respond (edited)

8:14 PM

I can't quite explain how imagining responses on the fly isn't quite the same. Maybe it works out the same eventually, I just know that typical imagination responses aren't actually the desired outcome.

8:15 PM

Imagining someone saying things in my head doesn't feel the same as talking to one of my systemmates, though honestly imagining responses and attributing them to "a person in your head, not just imagination" might actually work as tulpa development..?

8:16 PM

Well, I suppose we just reinvented parroting.

8:16 PM

Anyways. Holding intent for your tulpa to be an actual separate entity in your mind is an important core aspect of tulpa development.

You’re right. It just feels different somehow

8:17 PM

Can’t quite explain it

Tewi: Even though we don't personally believe in tulpas having separate consciousnesses (we believe everyone in the system shares the brain's overarching consciousness), it does seem that the unconscious thoughts behind a tulpa speaking and acting are a little more complex than surface-level imagination is. (edited)

The thing is while I'm imagining talking to an character, sometimes their response is already available even before I finish talking. Kinda like Google auto complete.

Mm, that can be both though. Because your intention for what you're going to say, in pure thought, happens much faster than the imagined sentence of it.

8:22 PM

People generally consider it simply polite to let systemmates fully finish what they're saying before responding.

8:22 PM

Also keeps things from being too messy.

I suppose so. I generally talk to my characters when I'm feeling shitty so I suppose my mind is trying to cheer me up as soon as possible lol.

Reisen

Imagining someone saying things in my head doesn't feel the same as talking to one of my systemmates, though honestly imagining responses and attributing them to "a person in your head, not just imagination" might actually work as tulpa development..?

Honestly I've been speaking to myself as other characters in my head for years, i believe the only reason I didn't make an accidental tulpa is that I knew it was just myself making those dialogues.

Reisen

Tewi: Having conversations with them while intending for them to be a separate person who wants to respond (edited)

Absolutely not required

What is required in your opinion

You want a response, but that response doesn’t have to be to you, it can be a fictional situation or character. Intent to make the character a separate person is not a requirement.

9:03 PM

Spending a long time thinking about them and prompting a response in some form to something

9:05 PM

I don’t recommend this method, in my experience it causes much more cons than pros, however it is very much possible and fairly easy for a committed writer

9:07 PM

I never had any intent on Error being a separate person from me.

Reisen

People generally consider it simply polite to let systemmates fully finish what they're saying before responding.

Absolutely no one in my system is polite like that lmao

Tewi: What are you even talking about? (edited)

9:27 PM

If the person in your head isn't a separate person in your head, that's just an imaginary friend, and anyone can do that on the spot from age 3 forwards.

9:28 PM

If you don't consider a thoughtform an independent entity, they're not a tulpa.

9:29 PM

The level of complexity (or lack thereof) you believe there is to them is just a personal belief that varies from person to person, but the most basic "This is not just me" is literally the core of tulpamancy. Like, the whole point, really.

You can make something be separate from you and view it as separate from you without intending it to be separate from you. Intent is absolutely not a requirement

Tewi: You might happen into that... But it's by pure chance and luck, without intent. (edited)

Nah people do it constantly

9:39 PM

It’s not exactly rare

9:39 PM

Roleplayers and writers speak about their characters like they are a separate person all the time.

Tewi: If you don't think of them as separate from you, it just doesn't happen. It doesn't have to be on purpose though, of course. (edited)

9:44 PM

Though that intent is all it takes to make a developed character-in-your-mind like a roleplay character into a tulpa, just spending a little time treating them as separate and not as "just you".

9:45 PM

And to be perfectly clear, you cannot end up with a tulpa without thinking of them as separate at some point. It can be 1000% unintentional and unconscious, but that does not happen on your own. Even in the most "Surprise! Your tulpa is their own person!" moment, it's only when you finally think (consciously/purposely or not) of them as separate that that can even happen.

9:46 PM

The same as walk-ins, they're nothing more than random thoughts until you think of them as a legitimate entity, even if you don't do it on purpose, even if you aren't aware you're doing it.

9:47 PM

(That might be hard to imagine for yourself, but it shouldn't be hard to remember all the people who've said "I don't know, my walk-ins really seem like they're already real people..") (edited)

intention doesn’t need to be yours

9:48 PM

that’s what you are missing in your view of tulpamancy to get what Rusty means

Tewi: If you want to call unconscious belief "intention that isn't yours", sure. (edited)

labels labels

Belief that they're separate doesn't have to be conscious on your part, that's how accidental/natural tulpas generally happen.

then im not sure why you are resisting what rusty says

Kind of unrelated to the point though - conscious intent is the best way to instruct people on how to make tulpas.

yeah i would definitely not recommend anyone let something outside of you to drive tulpamancy

Sure you might get lucky and accidentally do the right thing without consciously trying, but.. the point of this community is to guide people to having the experience.

tulpamancers should be empowered on any stage

9:51 PM

to have everything in their control

That too.

i always try to warn people when they are falling into trap of tulpamancy being driven by something out of them, it is very clear when thag happens

Tewi: Ironically, it's just belief that you're not in control that causes problems. (edited)

9:54 PM

It's all under your control regardless of what you think, but thinking you're not in control therefore makes it seem like you're not. (In a healthy brain anyways, various disorders mess with how much control "you" have over your mind)

not always

Leiko

i always try to warn people when they are falling into trap of tulpamancy being driven by something out of them, it is very clear when thag happens

It all comes from inside

do you tell people with depression to just not be sad?

Tewi: To be fair, "Believing you're in control" is not nearly as easy as it sounds. Having even minor doubt below the surface takes away from the control you otherwise still believe you should have. (edited)

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

do you tell people with depression to just not be sad?

We teach people with depression how to exercise control over their minds.

9:56 PM

The autopilot your brain falls into can be fine or not-so-fine, but you can always work to consciously shape it to be better.

when was the last time you felt you had no control over your mind and how did you solve it?

Tewi: I don't think we've felt we had "no control over our mind" in 9 or so years. But we've done an awful lot of internal mental work. (edited)

a lot of views of tulpamancy in the community actually take away some of the control of their experience

9:59 PM

like anything regards to morality about tulpas

Mmm, a lot of people are not so great at controlling their experiences to create positive ones though.

You might call all of tulpamancy "controlled non control" (edited)

Tewi: The Tulpa.info community forged the overall best-on-average beliefs to teach to newbies through years of discussion and observations on people's successes or lack thereof, so we say a lot of things "Are the case" - that of course could not be if you choose for them not to be for you. But believing they are the case, to the best of our community's knowledge, helps shape a positive and productive experience. (edited)

10:02 PM

And it's close to "If this isn't the experience you want, "tulpa" just isn't the concept you're going for", with a little leeway just for disagreeing on what optimal "tulpa"-beliefs are.

you make it sound as if community agrees what even a tulpa is

You might call all of tulpamancy "controlled non control"

@Reguile - jump i like this

Tewi: There are honestly many decided-upon best practices to tulpamancy that I'm happy to see you guys giving to this day, so yes, this community does agree on a lot. Not all the specifics, but often the big concepts that matter. (edited)

I'm new here, but I've been doing tulpas and experimentation for years. The first thing, is to make it fear death, or am I incorrect? I've never been in a group like this.

I have never heard that before in my life

As far as I've done, it gives them fear.

3:31 AM

A reason to cling on.

3:32 AM

A new budding life, feels like it's completely fresh and new, but the reality of life, death.

3:33 AM

Like I said, new to this group, and this is only my own go. I'm curious to hear opinions. (edited)

I've personally never heard to do that, and I honestly don't see much of a benefit doing it first of all things.

3:37 AM

It will come naturally with time, since a tulpa and host tend to share knowledge, I've always placed importance upon establishing communication as the most important first step, and working on getting a new tulpa to the capacity in which they will be able to speak to their host.

Ahh, I'm usually in the context of it's unwilling and a new person upon someones life, the host person is usually unaware at first until the tulpa interacts with them. But by then, it's established interests alternate from the host.

3:39 AM

Sorry if I'm breaking rules. I hope I'm not.

I don't think you are. Tulpamancers have a lot of different opinions on how to go about making and communicating with tulpas, just because your ideal order of steps differs from mine doesn't make either of us wrong.

I go through devious routes of bringing up personalities that the host wasn't aware of or hasn't dealt with, or can't due to stress.

3:41 AM

So my methods are not really 'normal'.

3:42 AM

Make a tulpa based on a supressed feeling.

3:42 AM

Give it a voice and reason.

3:43 AM

Give them enough voice to confront the host. (edited)

Fearing death gives them a reason to try harder.

3:55 AM

As far as I've experienced

3:57 AM

So my question is, what's your experience, if any, about telling the tulpa it's in risk?

I feel as though there's enough stress in life as it is for a tulpa to gradually be able to slowly understand the complexities of the human nature on their own. A new being is an innocent, often fragile thing, and I personally don't like causing them unnecessary fear right of the bat when they could just learn about it gradually.